I’m really pleased to have been able to take part in a critical dialogue with Banu Bargu about our respective books. Bargu is author of the award-winning Starve and Immolate: The Politics of Human Weapons (Columbia UP, 2014). We reviewed each other’s work, and had a chance to respond to each other’s reviews. This is also the first review in print of Punishment and Inclusion. The exchange is currently available for free from Perspectives on Politics in their excellent special issue devoted to Prisons and Policing.